viernes, 26 de septiembre de 2008

Debate

Vinieron unos amigos a la casa y me perdí el primer debate Obama- McCain. Hasta ahora lo más confiable que he encontrado ha sido la opinión de Lluís Bassets, director adjunto de EL PAÍS un periódico que tradicionalmente ha apostado por los demócratas que en su blog ha dado como ganador a McCain. Invito a todo el que vio el debate a compartir sus impresiones en los comentarios. Esto es lo que concluyó Bassets:
Si hubiera que dar vencedor a alguien, yo no tendría duda. Siendo un mal debate para ambos, en el que ninguno de los dos ha estado a la altura de las circunstancias difíciles que atraviesa el país, McCain es quien ha estado más cómodo, pugnaz y agresivo. Ha hecho pasar muy bien el mensaje que le convenía, de buen conocedor de la política exterior y de político preocupado por la seguridad de sus conciudadanos, ha hecho valer su experiencia y ha sabido subrayar los defectos de su adversario.
Obama, por su parte, ha encajado con elegancia y frialdad excesivas los ataques de que ha sido objeto. Nadie podrá reprocharle por perder los nervios, pero tampoco de que se dedique a hacérselos perder a los otros. Lo mejor de sus reacciones en pleno intercambio de golpes es su sonrisa tranquila y abierta, algo que suscita la máxima simpatía pero no se sabe muy bien si sirve para alcanzar la Casa Blanca. En este contraste entre la agresividad de uno y las buenas formas del otro se ve también la mano de los equipos de campaña: la acción marrullera de Rove y sus chicos se ha notado de forma brutal esta semana en la campaña de McCain, y probablemente con resultados positivos en unas encuestas que iban pintando mal para ellos estos días: se verá en las próximas horas.

9 comentarios:

Anónimo dijo...

Obama expresó sus puntos de vista con sinceridad, como mismo piensan la inmensa mayoría de los norteamericanos que piensan y que piensan bien, que no son parte de la jauría conservadora o de la jauría de las finanzas; no se comportó como su oponente marrulleramente. Hay una razón y muchas verdades en el voto por Obama. Ahora bien, si logran seguir engañando y estafando al pueblo norteamericanoamericano y a medio mundo y definitivamente imponen al viejito, veremos entonces como en menos de 50 años esta gran nación estaró muy detras de europa, China, Japón, Canada y etccc. Vivir para ver,

Al Rodríguez

raúlciro(di-chavez) dijo...

Brother, perdona que sea tan egoísta, mi madre está bien y con nosotros en casa, ya está montada en el NIKE más ergonómico. Le cuesta caminar, pero hemos acordado un sistema: le llevamos en automóvil a los sitios y después desplegamos la silla de ruedas prestada por la Cruz Roja española. Ella puede caminar, pero a cinco por hora, entonces así todo va de maravilla, a nuestro ritmo. Nos la estamos pasando muy bien. Claro de vez en cuando tenemos que recordar "cuánto" le debemos a revolución y cosas de esas..., pero igual, no nos falta el... desayuno, el café..., y ella cada día entiende mucho más, se actualiza.
Un abrazo, perdona que no me pase por aquí más a menudo, ahora sí, "no tengo tiempo".
Si quieres, le puedes poner música a esta peliculita. Pincha sobre mi nombre(dichavez) y descarga una versión de un tema original de Yusa, mi amor NEGRO, chocolate, agua; es del 2002, del inconcluso e inédito "Fúrgol".
Ahora mismo he orinado, sin problemas para descargar... Pues, mi madre, Susana y la gata Antonia duermen tranquilamente con la tele encendida bajita. ¿Se puede ser más feliz? Sí, yo creo que sí. En ello estamos, nada ni nadie nos va parar esta vez. Lo he visto, somos otros.
Te quiero mucho,hermano. Cuídate, y cuídanos.

Ernesto G. dijo...

Yo vi el debate y me parece que aunque McCain fue firme y no vacilo a la hora de dar sus opiniones, sono a veces demasiado agresivo y ataco la inexperinecia de Obama mas que la validez o no validez de sus ideas. Obama sono mas sincero y menos agresivo. No se como el pais tomrara esto porque ya hay gente diciendo que gano McCain y otros que gano Obama, como siempre sucede. Es raro encontrar un analisis objetivo de estas cosas. Si sirve de algo, yo tengo pensado votar por McCain pero creo que Obama lucio mejor en el debate.

LEAN ESTO:

Grading the First Presidential Debate By MARK HALPERIN / OXFORD, MISSISSIPPI
2 hours, 17 minutes ago






John McCain


Substance: His arguments were hard to follow at the beginning, but he found his voice as the debate progressed, although he never seemed fully in control of his message. He had plenty to say about the economy, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Russia, but often bogged down his own answers when trying to unfurl quips and soundbites. Stuck with bumper sticker slogans on the economy, and while he got a bit more detailed on foreign policy, he stayed at his usual level of abstraction. If he truly knows more about the world than Obama, he didn't show it in this debate.


Grade: B-


Style: Cluttered, jumpy, and often muddled. Frequent coughing early on helped neither his arguments nor his image. Jokes about being deaf and anecdotes about Normandy and George Shultz seemed ill-advised - even his pen was old. His presentation was further hindered by his wandering discussion of the differing heights of North and South Koreans and his angry assertion about how well he knows Henry Kissinger. Fell into the classic politician's trap of inserting familiar stump speech applause lines into debate responses - which only works if done with enthusiasm and clarity (and if received by applause - a big No-No in Lehrer's auditorium, which the audience obeyed seriously and silently). Keenly aware of the grand, grave occasion, McCain wavered between respectful and domineering, and ended up awkward and edgy.


Grade: C-


Offense: Emphasized his bread and butter issues of taxes and spending, and hit Obama on his failure to visit Iraq and his expressed willingness to meet with dictators. But while mocking his opponent on a few occasions, which reflected his acute disrespect for Obama, he did so in an insufficiently sharp and detailed manner - and unevenly worked elements of his rival's record into his attacks. Still he was utterly confident about his own experience, knowledge, and policies, even when tripped by his own tongue and distracted by the strains of debate practice. The main problem: Obama's obvious preparation and sharp answers contradicted McCain's frequent claims that the Democrat was uninformed and "didn't understand" key issues.


Grade: C+


Defense: He managed to ignore most of Obama's jibes, but was eventually baited into giving an extended answer about his policy differences with President Bush, after his opponent repeatedly mentioned McCain's regular support of Bush's budgets. Was visibly riled when clashing with Obama over a variety of issues, including Iraq, sanctions, and spending. He also chose to boast about Sarah Palin (although not by name) as his maverick partner, who, after her shaky week, may no longer be his ace in the hole.


Grade: B-


Overall: McCain was McCain - evocative, intense, and at times emotional, but also vague, elliptical, and atonal. Failed to deliver his "country first versus Obama first" message cleanly, even when offered several opportunities. Surprisingly, did not talk much about "change," virtually ceding the dominant issue of the race.


Overall grade: B-

(Read Mark Halperin's take on Barack Obama's performance)

Barack Obama


Substance: Quite manifestly immersed in the past, present, and future details of policy, and eager to express his views, which have been expanded, honed, and solidified during the last 18 months of hard campaigning. Still, he did avoid the nitty-gritty details of policy positions in favor of broad principles and references to working Americans, thereby not presenting the kind of specifics that some voters are waiting to hear from him.


Grade: B+


Style: Polished, confident, focused. Fully prepared, and able to convey a real depth of knowledge on nearly every issue. He was unhurried, and rarely lost his train of thought even when the debate wended and winded - and uttered far fewer of his trademark, distracting, "ums." At times, however, Obama revealed the level of his preparation by faltering over a rehearsed answer. He seemed to deliberately focus on the moderator and the home audience, with McCain as an afterthought - except when on the attack. Chose to avoid humor, for the most part, in favor of a stern demeanor, and in the process, came off as cool as a cucumber.


Grade: A


Offense: Linking McCain to Bush in his very first answer, he kept it up as his primary line of attack. Forcefully hit McCain for his early support of the Iraq War. Though he never drew blood, he did keep McCain a bit off balance, often with clever references to McCain's recent statements.

Grade: B

Defense: Had a reasonable answer for every charge that came his way - with little anger, bluster, or anxiety. Often interrupting McCain attacks with swift explanations and comebacks, he managed to spin accusations of being liberal as evidence of his relentless opposition to George Bush (in replies that were clearly planned). Offered a rather clumsy alternative to McCain's well-known, moving story of wearing the bracelet of a soldier lost in Iraq (a gift from the soldier's mother), with a story about a bracelet of his own. Fearless, without condescension, he attempted the gracious move of agreeing with or complimenting a McCain position, occasionally to his own detriment.

Grade: A-

Overall: Went for a solid, consistent performance to introduce himself to the country. He did not seem nervous, tentative, or intimidated by the event, and avoided mistakes from his weak debate performances during nomination season (a professorial tone and long winded answers). Standing comfortably on the stage with his rival, he showed he belonged - evocative of Reagan, circa 1980. He was so confident by the end that he reminded his biggest audience yet that his father was from Kenya. Two more performances like that and he will be very tough to beat on Election Day.

Overall grade: A-

(See photos from the campaign trail)

View this article on To Debate or Not to Debate Klein: Obama Wins Debate On Tactics and Strategies Leaving Iraq: Debate Shifts to When McCain's Foreign Policy Frustration Is McCain's War Record Sacrosanct?

enrisco dijo...

Gracias Ernesto por las citas y felicidades Raul por lo de la vieja. disfrutala mucho y damele un beso de mi parte.

Ernesto G. dijo...

Obama parece un hombre decente, siempre me lo ha parecido. Lo he criticado, me he burlado de el, pero no dejo de reconocerle lo que ha logrado. Era un desconocido hace cuatro años. Tiene todos mis respetos, pero de ahi a darle mi voto va un tremendo trecho. Uno se vuelve cinico con los años, I guess, o abre los ojos. No se. No soy absolutista. El comunismo me enseño a huirle a toda declaracion absoluta.

enrisco dijo...

ernesto: hay declaraciones absolutas que el comunismo ayuda a reforzar como por ejemplo que el comunismo es una mierda.

Ernesto G. dijo...

Bueno, y no hay nada como el sentido del humor para decir grandes verdades muy seriamente. Saludos.

luvicallejas dijo...

Viendo tu gusto por los sondeos en el artículo sobre el color amarillo de Obama -muy perspicaz, de hecho-he aquí un sondeo que te puede interesar:
la apreciación del público indeciso sobre quién ganó el debate:

40% of uncommitted voters who watched the debate tonight thought Barack Obama was the winner. 22% thought John McCain won. 38% saw it as a draw.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/cbs_news_knowledge_network_und.php

Un aplauso por la sapiencia de los indecisos...y por que no cambien de opinión.

julio dijo...

Bueno,me parece que Obama se respaldo en un público más másivo y estos debates le sirvieron también de algún modo para acrecentar su imagen que hoy esta siendo vapuleada.Habra que ver que pasa en el proximo año.